machines

hey, i'm going to be getting some money soon and wanted to start lookin at machines, well i have looked at some on the net and such. im doing an apprenticeship, theres 2 people at the studio, 1 says to build my own, like buy it part by part and put it together, and the other says just buy what i want.he uses time machines, and is just like time machines are good. and the other guy is just like buy some cheap frames and go from there?. cause building my first machines will mean more then buying them, i just want to get something soon cause ill have money and after awhile im not going to. so any suggestions? thanks

I think that the best suggestion is to buy all of the parts and build them from the ground up with the help of your mentor(s). This will give you a better understanding of your machines and will give you some decent experience in how they work and how to fix them. As far as time machines go I'm not too keen on them. The older lower numbered ones aren't too shabby but you'll learn eventually that mass produced machines aren't that great. They can work nice with some tweaking and all, but they also have a ton of excess bullshit on them to come loose. If you're going to buy machines that are premade I'd stick with pulse or even mickey sharpz... If you can afford it and want to be spoiled right off jump order some next gens. Just remember that the machine doesn't make the artist. I've used shitty spaulding rogers machines and produced very nice work. Take your time, learn everything you can.... It's just like anything else in life... When you were a kid you probably listened to music that You'll find the machines you really love after you get far enough into it... I say build... then buy... best of luck- 7

*** when you were a kid you probably listened to music that you laugh about now... that's because you've seen more and developed a taste for what you like... I hate it when my touchpad on my laptop gets in the fucking way while I'm typing... FUCK I think my pulse is somewhere near the coffee pot... *runs* 7

thanks alot, thats what i was thinking, he has me ripping machines apart and putting them back together. i dont really want to spend a ton of money on machines, was thinking building them up would be the best way, and with that learn more stuff.. thats horrible about your stuff that was taken.. i was in wisconsin the other week, well took a wrong turn, i was in duluth mn and ended up in superiour, good luck with getting the equipment back though and thanks for the advice

No worries... I'm not to worried about my things any longer... I just want a bodycount... If you're even interesting a custom machine or two... I've heard amazing things about machines by rob giusti aka *hotspark* here in the forums... Check him out... Custom machines by Rob Guisti 7

i have seen some mentions about them, but dont believe ive seen machines at all.,, yeah a body count is totally understandable

yeah pretty much everything sevendown said is accurate. im also an apprentice and im getting more into the aspect of building my own machines. From doing this ive noticed a couple things i didnt like about pulse. Im not trying to put thm down cuz i love my machine but. Coils arent Shimmed. so the armature bar hits uneven on the top coil. and another thing. bigger cores equal bigger and more solid magnetism. which is why i love the next gen coils. super fat. supposedly they mushroom out at the ends. I just tried out the Eikon Crowns, but i havent done a tattoo with it yet. I also dont like alot of the hard edges on pulse machines. Im not sure whos interview it was in machinegun magazine, perhaps seth ciferri, but hard edges on machines can rip gloves, its the care you see put into frames when people smooth everything out you can tell they made a quality machine and put their heart and time into it. Also with mickey sharpz look for small numbers. I hear once he goes into the high numbers they just start to suck. Less care more production. I just went through workhorse and ordered The two machine kits they had, Seth Classic Liner and Pilot Shader. I didnt need all the parts so i bought all the pieces. I saved like $100-$150. So keep that in mind talk to your mentor see what hes got you can grab like accessory wise, springs, a bars, whatever. And buy the pieces seperate i got two machines for the price of one. And you learn a lot more. When somethin goes wrong you know the machine inside and out and you can hop in there fix it and get back to tattooing. since ive been typin so long i forget half of what you said in the post. so hopefully my ramblings helped. see if anyone in the shop has some shitty frames theyll let you have. and rebuild those and get them running great.

yeah pretty much everything sevendown said is accurate. im also an apprentice and im getting more into the aspect of building my own machines. From doing this ive noticed a couple things i didnt like about pulse. Im not trying to put thm down cuz i love my machine but. Coils arent Shimmed. so the armature bar hits uneven on the top coil. and another thing. bigger cores equal bigger and more solid magnetism. which is why i love the next gen coils. super fat. supposedly they mushroom out at the ends. I just tried out the Eikon Crowns, but i havent done a tattoo with it yet. I also dont like alot of the hard edges on pulse machines. Im not sure whos interview it was in machinegun magazine, perhaps seth ciferri, but hard edges on machines can rip gloves, its the care you see put into frames when people smooth everything out you can tell they made a quality machine and put their heart and time into it. Also with mickey sharpz look for small numbers. I hear once he goes into the high numbers they just start to suck. Less care more production. I just went through workhorse and ordered The two machine kits they had, Seth Classic Liner and Pilot Shader. I didnt need all the parts so i bought all the pieces. I saved like $100-$150. So keep that in mind talk to your mentor see what hes got you can grab like accessory wise, springs, a bars, whatever. And buy the pieces seperate i got two machines for the price of one. And you learn a lot more. When somethin goes wrong you know the machine inside and out and you can hop in there fix it and get back to tattooing. since ive been typin so long i forget half of what you said in the post. so hopefully my ramblings helped. see if anyone in the shop has some shitty frames theyll let you have. and rebuild those and get them running great.

Since you are apprenticing I would definately build not buy prebuilt...Gives you a valuable foundation in machine mechanics....once ya get on skin and the cash is comin in get a couple custom made Hotsparks by Rob Giusti....just go to the post on new machines by Giusti and theere are pics of mine....the very first set of 5 machines and I just can't say enough about them...htese are not boutique machines man...these are color packin monster everyday work machines.. check em out!! Good luck in your career!!...TAz