re using needles pt 2

why do most people who post on this site give people a hard time when asking for advise/info..at least the guy asked for help, so he cares right...like i said before to someone who was rude when someone asked for help....NOONE IS BORN WALKING INCLUDING YOU LOT, eveyone starts somewhere. I would say to the guy who posted the question, at least you asked for advise...have a look at tattoo courses,also see if any reputable tattooist would take you on. good luck for the future and lets hope one day you become a fantastic artist. p.s please dont tattoo anyone till you are 100% at your trade..all the best

We cant be clearer...learning to tattoo on the internet is a BAD idea. Asking questions is how you learn, and you need to ask the talented tattoo artist who is teaching you. There are many many complexities about the art, and in the end tattooing without proper guidance leads to poor work, lots of bad karma, and mistakes on friends and family that are very hard to fix. I dont want my website to help artists hack crap on people because then I am partly responsible for encouraging that artist. I do encourage people to get better at their art and learn to tattoo, just not before they are ready. If their art is that hot shit, then they will find a teacher. It may take years, no one said it was going to be easy. And hey, if your buddy wants to practice on you by learning on the internet, knock yourself out, we are the land of the free. We're even free to be stupid. Ask many accomplished artists how hard it is to fix their past mistakes. Sure, they may not have served an official apprenticeship, but hands down they understand (after the fact) that they would have been MUCH better off getting one...

You just answered your own question. Most people (not all) who are posting, and asking remedial questions, are here to learn. Discussing ink, and simple machine preferences, is different than asking the difference of steam, and dry heat. There are certain question that if you have ta ask... Like I've said a forum is great for discussion, not for learning. JOE

i think your all sad who replied to that, you have just stated the obvious, and of course the internet is no place to learn how to tattoo, but its not wrong to ask questions...i think your above your station and you need to remember that you had to learn once you were not born tattooing. Peace.

Your right, I was not born tattooing I learned. By befriending other artists, checking out conventions and local shops. Not by sitting on my ass in my living room plucking away at a key board hoping someone out there is gonna throw my lazy ass a bone. And IM not down on people asking questions on a message board, but I believe there's a place for certain queries. Hell ask where to get a good portrait, or advice on tribal, even some machine theory. But enough with the technical questions on things that if you had half a witt you'd know already. And certainly know not to ask on an open forum. And fact of the matter if you've a problem with how things are answered, especially when there answered in a professional, manner, than don't post. Granted some people can be a bit crude, even offensive, but like I said its an open forum, you take the good with the bad... JOE

you have a point, however, how do you know he is just sittin on his arse?! maybe he is doing those things as well...as you said its an open forum so he can ask what he wants. have a nice day, and good luck.

wel thanks 4 being reasonable emma i appreciate that and 4 all u haters it seem 2 me ur afraid that people are going to take bussiness away from u and ive been reading posts and i respect gabes comments that doesnt go for u.

I agree for the most part with all that learning on a forum is a bad idea. I did wnat to bring this up though... I understand the confusion and why someone would ask these things... For instance I was flipping through a popular PROFESSIONAL tattoo supply company catalog yesterday. Lo and behold... what were they selling? A dry heat system, and the copy read (basically) "good enough to sterilize your instruments, etc." When I saw that I cringed. What are they thinking!!!??? They also sent out a clothing catalog with a picture of a guy tattooing on the inside. It was like first grade all over: "what's wrong with this picture?" This is what I found, it was kinda fun: 1. artist tattooing with no gloves 2. touching dirty clip cord cover with no gloves 3. artist was in the drawing room and not a station 4. client sitting on a drawing counter and not a covered chair 5. aritst wearing sunglasses during the procedure 6. artist had a watch and rings on during the procedure 7. no skin stretching shown. 8. client leaned up against a wall and corkboard during the staged "tattoo" Am I the only one that noticed this? Kandyman Joe www.pureimaginationtattoos.com

I just really need to know this (and I've stated this before, so I'm sorry if I sound monotonous): Why do Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, Teachers, Police, Radio and TV Personalities, Accountants, and several other professional people have no problem LEARNING ALL ABOUT THEIR CAREER THE PROPER WAY THROUGH EDUCATION AND TRAINING but so called aspiring tattoo artists get bent out of shape because they want to take the easy road and search message boards for information (which isn't necessarily fact when anyone can answer a question on a message board, including other scratchers and hackers) and don't get the answers that they want to learn? Just please, answer that. If I wanted to be a cardiologist, I would not go onto an internet forum and ask where I could get the best rib spreaders so I could freaking practice on my friends. I would actually do something that might amaze a few people out there, I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. If it was my destiny to do that, then I would figure it out, and not take shortcuts and half assed routes to do it. The problem with most people inquiring on these forums is that they have already been told the way to go about becoming a tattoo artist the right way and they don't want to put that much effort into it, so tell me why they deserve any information at that point?

alright so who taught the ones who first started?

Emmanual: they practiced on themselves and friends and family made a lot of mistakes. Point 1: Just because an amazing artist didnt learn the right way doesnt make the wrong way right. Plenty of people regret the way they learned, all they have to do is look at their body and their friends to be reminded. Point 2: Its not about competition. A truly talented artist will make a studio $$$ and increase cliental, not take it away(of course I cant speak for every location/business). Just because your art isnt good enough(yet) for someone to teach you doesnt mean they are scared of competition. You want the secret? Keep drawing till you are truely hot shit and get tattooed by the best you can afford. Consider it college. Do those two things and if its meant to happen it will.

personally i dont see anything wrong with ppl asking questions like that.. take me for an instance when i first started i asked artists too alot of questionsit helps... like when i started lets see i live in pa i was looking at tattooing needles too many options to choose from and wanted to try other needles so what did i do it was 11pm and no tattoo shops was opened around here in pa and didnt want to wake my friends up cause they open thier shops at 5am so i called cali san jose area and asked them what type of tattoo needles do they preferr what do that like the most and a couple of them told me some told me like 7m some said 13m diffrent things so i just got alot of diffrent one from 5r to13m...and found that 7m 5r and 3r works best for me

whether you find anything wrong with it or not, we state very clearly that technical talk is not welcome. So, well, your technical comments are not welcome.

hey speedoslasher...where can we see some of your work man?.Taz

I think Joe said something about how aspiring artists get bent out of shape, and it's holding true. Honestly, i wouldn't want to get tattooed by someone who had to go to a public forum and ask how to clean their instruments. I, personally, want to teach, but i can't just go to a school and say i finished high-school, i know how to do elementry math, why can't i teach, why can't i do it, i know how. I have to go to school and learn, no matter how much i think i need it. This is no different. The apprentacship(SP) is like your schooling. Yea, some people make it by without any proffesional training, look at Danny Elfman (lead in Oingo Boingo, and writer of the music in most Tim Burton films), but, more don't than do. and, if you have that training, you won't have to ask for advice on an internet forum, and then, the people who you KNOW don't want to answer, and you KNOW will jump down your back for asking, can't do that. As for emma, and anyone else comin to this guy's diffense, sry but your posts annoyed me. No, nothing is wrong with asking questions, but ya know what? Gabe has made it clear WAY too many times, not only in his "read before posting", but in so many threads, NOT to ask those types of questions, that, if someone does, it's their fault if they get jumped on for it. just my 2-cents -Ducky

It was Krystof that said it, not Joe, lol