What is your problem?

I love reading this forum, there is a lot of great info on here from a lot of great tattooist, but there is a lot of you guys that are so quick to rip into people. Yes there are tonz of teenage dirt-bag scratches around, but have you ever stopped to think that maybe there are a few people out there who aren't? and who are actually trying to learn from you guys? god forbid someone calls a Tattoo machine a gun! why don't you try pointing out that in this industry that isn't a proper term and that they should call it a machine instead? and then tell them the proper steps to getting into tattooing. instead you go on about jokes and make fun of them. You all were where they were at one point, you weren't born knowing how to tattoo, be clean, know how to draw and know the proper terms for things. so maybe use your top secret tattoo knowledge to help people instead of making them feel bad. I'm not a tattooist and never want to be one, (my drawing skills are severely lacking so i stick to piercing) but i think that everyone should help one another, someone helped you! remember 5-10 years ago when you went into that shop not knowing anything and someone was kind enough to teach you and help you become who you are today? yeah pass it on! karma will thank you and regardless who you are you don't know everything, you never stop learning! if you think you do.... YOU FAIL!

notattooist, while I admit there is, IMO some good points in your post, as someone whose been on here for quite a while and been involved in tattooing for a very long time I would like to give my response, for whatever it's worth. Again, some of what you said is indeed factual but, on the other hand, have you ever considered how frustrating it is to have some of these questions asked so many times, only to have responses totally ignored and/or argued with by people who obviously don't have a clue and/or show such utter contempt for not only the professionals but the profession itself? I know from my own experience and if I weren't so hard skinned would have given up even trying to help/give advice a long time ago. As to what you stated about 'someone helped you', while I suppose I understand what you meant, I 'd like to point out most of us earned/worked for the knowledge we got, it was rarely/if ever given freely and most certainly not over the 'net and most certainly not given when asked with so little respect as is usually given here. Again, while you did raise some valid points, I'd ask that you look at both sides before you condemn.

Ok, again, sorry for being repetitive but to be up front, I am self taught (just mentioned that in another thread). Although, I am at a crossroads now and feel like playing Devil's advocate and to try to look at it fairly from a pros perspective. You Said: "You all were where they were at one point, you weren't born knowing how to tattoo, be clean, know how to draw and know the proper terms for things." But many of these ppl were NOT where the self-taught ppl were. They got honest apprenticeships and either paid money or paid in sweat equidy for their education. They did not expect to learn for free, over the net. And, I agree that most people who are willing to share tech information are ppl who don't know that much themselves (That was brought up else where but I think it applies here too).. Self-taughters feel the need to share what they know (including me at times). But pros want to see ppl do the right thing and get an apprenticeship. Even me, being self taught, have also noticed how ungrateful ppl are for the info you share. For example, if you don't tell ppl what they want to hear, they turn on you. And if you do answer their questions they seem to be ungratefull assholes who don't even thank you for the time and effort you put into trying to help them out. Even I, an admitted "self-teacher" have been insulted by what ppl have tried to glean of of me for free, without so much as a thank you. I think the industry is so oversaturated right now and there simply isn't room for scratchers or even legit but below average artists. When I put things into perspective, I know if I was a Dr. I would be outraged if I heard a med student (or lay person, heaven forbid) was practicing by removing tonsils and appedix in his/her basement. Please don't take what I'm about to say as disrespectful but it's how I feel. It does NOT take a brain surgeion to learn how to tattoo. And yeah, many cocky artist will make you believe that's how it is, when many of them would be pumping gas or in jail if they didn't find tattooing. HOWEVER, it does take proper training and guidance and the fact that a lot of scmucks (like me) who are/were arrogant enought to think they could learn on their own is a slap in the face of respectable tattoo artists who learned the right way and take their profession very seriously. I usually HATE these industry politics but it proves that, like any art, tattooists are very passionate about what they do. I don't feel the arguments will ever end but aside from the negativity, I find the passion inspiring..

damn, Gina, another great and insightful post. Thank You for the post and the points you made. Again, I truly do wish you luck in finding an apprenticeship.

just a hint to all you new people don't kid yourself into thinking if I get a machine running I can tattoo! I got into this for the simple fact I found it interesting enough to hold my interest. I was amazed at what I watched as my Girlfriend got a tattoo. I purchased 4 machines, a few parts, and began looking at what makes them work. Retired people do silly stuff.....anyways I found myself on here and read all I could thinking some of you knew what you were talking about. Even more curious now I began my search for the Holy Grail *machine setup*. A word of advice dont get suckered by buying books on setup GO LEARN from the Tattoo guy's at your local shop. Read that as hang out, act interested, show respect, ask polite questions, and above all at least know the names of the parts and what they do. After taking over a month to do all of the above my local shop was more than helpful, and asked me if i was thinking of apprenticing. I spent the next 1-2 hrs just talking about machines. Not being into inking people (not gifted in the art dept) I am hoping to build my own machine.....by next year I will have all the equipment needed to do it. I know I'm gonna face many setbacks and mistakes in doing it. That goes with any new Task you are not familiar with. Learn what you can off the internet, then go ask those that KNOW!

I understand your point too, I guess i'll i'm trying to say is we're not in the 1920's where you have to protect your knowledge in order to live, these people trying to learn probibly won't become your compitition, there are enough people out there wanting tattoos so try and sway from the old views of a tattooer, and help those that ask for it. I know nobody is going to be able to take what someone say off the internet and go be sucessful, you need to be in a shop to know how it works, (beleive me i thought i knew how it worked b4 i worked in a shop.. i was very very wrong) but try and share your knowledge with others, if you feel they deserve it. as for machine/gun, just because you call it a machine doesn't make you a professional, i'm sure there are alot of scrathers that call it a machine, its just a word... so chill. you don't need to get angry and make fun of someone for asking a question, if you feel there current information is misguided/wrong, tell them to get a apprentaceship tell them how to go about getting into this industry, and explain it like going to school, you need to pay your time and effort in order to obtain a career right? well a apprenticeship is like school, you must learn in order to become successful. seriously the industry will thank you, one more informed/educated person = one less shitty tattoo you will have to fix/cover-up

Hey Doc, Thanks for the well wishes. It's nice to hear even after all of the insults we've hurled at eachother and in spite of some of our differences. Thanks, man. :)

notatattooist, I hear ya. Only thing is, I really don't think today's artist are trying to protect trade secrets because of competition. I feel they are trying to protect the industry of the wrong people getting into it. The art being done today is at such a higher standard. And I think artist wish that this artwork was exposed moreso than your typical street shop that does flash. I'm guessing your average person w/ average tattoos doesn't spend too much time on the net looking up the great artists that are out there or looking at the tattoo mags. Although, these tv shows have upped the anti in quality tattoos. But these shows have also brought in a slew of people who want to tattoo who simply don't have the artistic chops. Sure, these shows have brought tattooing into the mainstream and made it ok for virtually anyone to get a tattoo. But that doesn't mean that anyone can be a tattoo artist. My point being that I don't think the industry ever catches a break regarding the amount of people who want tattos vs. the amount of people who want to become artists. I think it was Joe Cappo who said something similar in another post (paraphrasing) - You don't need 100 tattoo artists for every 200 people that want to get tattooed. (Sorry if I got that wrong but I think you get my point).

Gina, re:Hey Doc, Thanks for the well wishes. It's nice to hear even after all of the insults we've hurled at eachother and in spite of some of our differences. Thanks, man. :)...you're quite welcome and my wish was/is sincere. As to the other stuff, believe it or not, I suspected it was more from your frustration than truly personal but I do admit, some of it pissed me off but, well, hopefully all that is in the past and 'resolved'. Personally, I think it is great that you 'saw the light' and realized you would probably never reach your goal going about it as you were, admitted it and have/are using that knowledge/experience to advise others NOT to try to learn it on their own. I think your recent post have been very good and that, hopefully, coming from someone whose 'been there, tried that' MAY get thru to some that seem to think it's just pros trying to protect ourselves from 'competition' as so many have stated. You have made some very valid points and I'm glad you are taking the time to post.

You know what Dr. John i would also like to thank Gina for "showing me the light" and admit that i am in no shape or form, ready to own, work in, or run a tattoo studio, let alone have a machine in my hands... I am biting the bullet (and my manhood) here, in saying you know what... "FUCK being self taught" (unless your willing to put in a few years practicing, reading, courses, watching etc) to even be priviliged enough to "own tattoo equipment" Its all good enough saying "im a great artist" (from any newbie or scratcher) but until you actaully pick up a machine or two and try some work. You will never understand how f*cking hard it is to produce work like that of this sites artists and those you see on TV. let alone be good or ready enough to advertise, or start inking your mates etc... Say what you will, but i have changed my site, stoped advertising, and gone back to pen and paper for a while, maybe in a year or so i might pick up another machine and start again (with enough knowledge and practice to not be such a "cocky" c*nt.... i will however still be doing works, but once you read the site, you will realise i am serious about what i say.... diss me or call me out if you want doc. but at least the light has shone into my eyes.....

hmmm...i'm self taught and would never do it completely that way again, had i the chance to do it over. it's taken me (still taking me) this long (at least 10 years) to get a grip on the best way to do most things. i had so much help along the way, but no one to really sit over me and explain the technical 'best and worst' of application. nothing can replace that cherished input, up close and personal. i've been blessed with a talent, but found out that talent without technical know-how is a long, hard road.

Thanks again, guys. Ya know, I'm honestly not trying to be preachy or get on a soap box. I can only share my experience. And, truthfully, I believe I have taken my own "self-taught" venture to a level than many self-learners don't. And even still, I am seeing the error of my ways. I just had to get honest w/ myself b/c I DO respect the industry and DO want to learn the correct way. I also believe it would be MUCH faster to learn under the proper mentor. I will not going around bashing or telling other self-taught ppl to stop tattooing. I will only share my experience and let them know that being self taught is actually taking the harder road, not the easy one.

Ink -in-skin, I am so relieved to learn that you did get the point and 'saw the light' and personally, I respect the fact that you swallowed your pride and admit you aren't ready. Again, I've been at this a very long time so I can appreciate that it does look easier than it really is and that TV has glamorized it but the cold/hard fact is that it is not something you can properly learn to do without proper guidance. Personally, I give both Gina and now you a lot of credit for the wisdom to see that and not only cease tattooing people but to come on the 'net and admit your mistake and 'share' your stories as I truly do hope others in your position will read and heed what you've both shared from your points of view. If what you said is indeed true, I harbor no ill will towards you and really do wish you the best of luck IF you really are serious about going at it the RIGHT way. I will be reviewing your site and if what you say is true, I assure you I will not be 'calling you out' or dissing you in the future. The things I stated to you were based on the situation at the time and work you were doing and I do hope you can appreciate that fact. And I really do thank you for your most recent post.

Kimi, I 'd like to Thank You as well for 'sharing your story' as I'd think perhaps (hopefully) these ' testimonials' may get to some people more than what we pros are trying to explain. As you stated, talent IS crucial but does not really achieve the ultimate goal without a seasoned mentor to guide you along the way and, more often than not, there are a lot of 'mistakes/victims' along the self-taught path as well as a lot of otherwise unnecessary frustration, not to even mention all those 'wasted' years.

Gina, I do not think you are coming across a 'preachy' or 'on a soap box', I think you're going about this in a very intelligent and 'respectful' manner and, as stated, I think/hope it may well get the point across from a different point of view than just what the pros state. And, as one who 'knows' more about you than some/most of the others, I must say and readily admit, you really did go about it more conscientiously than most which makes your 'testimonial' all the more relevant and appreciated (by me anyways) and, once again, I really and truly Thank You for your recent post and sincerely doubt I'm the 'only one' even if no one else is giving you your dues.

Dylan/Ink-In-Skin, Frankly, I'm a bit confused. Yesterday you said you'd 'seen the light', had changed your site and, among other things, 'maybe in a year or so I might pick up another machine and start again'. You also invited me to check your site to realize how serious you are about what you said. Well, I did just recheck your site and you have changed it a bit but it seems you are now saying 'I am opening a NEW shop in the new year some time, so please stop by for updates. Untill then, (appointments being taken for home studio work) & yes everything is being sterilized up to Aus.standards with an autoclave and ultrasonic cleaner (read below)' Just how is that 'seeing the light?' and doesn't that contradict what you said yesterday? And I would like to point out it also contradicts your statement 'My aim is to: be 100% honest and down to earth!' that you said on your site. While I'm not at all sure just what your trying to do, I do know your work shows you have neither the skills or right to be tattooing anyone at this stage and I, for one, do not understand what you think lying is going to achieve, particularly when you, yourself continue to give me the info to use to expose you. WTF?

just for the record, doc john is a mediocre tattooist.

Re:Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.164.171 on 09/30/08 'just for the record, doc john is a mediocre tattooist.' Aside from the fact that who even knows who you are, let alone how much credibility your opinion warrants (post some of your work) that is not what this thread is even about (not that your anonymous opinion matters) I trust you'll understand (well, probably not) that I'll put as much concern to your post as I do to the other shit people like you insist upon posting for whatever reason rather than posting anything relevant to the thread. At least I back up my statements with facts and valid information, something you anonymous trolls never seem capable of doing.

soo, not knowing who i am absolves you from being a second rate tattooist?

Re:Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.164.171 on 09/30/08 soo, not knowing who i am absolves you from being a second rate tattooist? While it is your opinion I'm supposedly a 'second rate tattooist', aside from the previously pointed out fact that does not have any bearing upon the thread, the rest of your dribble I addressed in my previous post, I don't see that anything has changed, troll. Address the topic or stop wasting my time, your opinion does not matter to me nor have you stated anything to back it up. Yawn

"" i will however still be doing works, but once you read the site, you will realise i am serious about what i say.... diss me or call me out if you want doc. but at least the light has shone into my eyes..... "" DrJohn, my word is true, i have stoped advertising my site and my work, but there are people (family and friends) who already have the site, and for those people who have seen my work and are happy to be "guiney pigs" for me and learning my techniques. I am not openly advertising, and have changed the site to BE HONEST and not bullshit about having done this and that, i am self taught and am working from a "port-a-studio" i hire for out the back yard. i am not lying, because i am showing the quality of my work.... i may not be the best (or even close) to a great or even good tattooist, but im learning, and have plently of people (who must sign a waiver) who have seen my work quality and are happy for me to continue (at no charge mind you-have just left prices up for other people who may "stumble" on my site) so to answer your question dr, i have "seen the light" but its not going to stop me from practicing, just from openly advertising or even telling people what i do... and the once a month when a friend or family wants a tattoo, i will certainly not give up the chance to hone in on my skills

doc, am i correct to assume your strategy to deflect the fact that your skills as a tattooist are extremely limited is to whine and natter about how my opinion has no value simply because you don't know who i am? oh, and go take a bath. dirty bastard.

'DrJohn, my word is true, i have stoped advertising my site and my work, but there are people (family and friends) who already have the site, and for those people who have seen my work and are happy to be "guiney pigs" for me and learning my techniques. I am not openly advertising, and have changed the site to BE HONEST and not bullshit about having done this and that, i am self taught and am working from a "port-a-studio" i hire for out the back yard. i am not lying, because i am showing the quality of my work.... i may not be the best (or even close) to a great or even good tattooist, but im learning, and have plently of people (who must sign a waiver) who have seen my work quality and are happy for me to continue (at no charge mind you-have just left prices up for other people who may "stumble" on my site) so to answer your question dr, i have "seen the light" but its not going to stop me from practicing, just from openly advertising or even telling people what i do... and the once a month when a friend or family wants a tattoo, i will certainly not give up the chance to hone in on my skills' Dylan, while what you explained MAY be true, at least to some degree, I think you are somewhat making excuses as the real point is you should not be doing any tattoo work, on anyone until you have successfully apprenticed. So, to me anyways, the rest is basically just excuses and not what you'd led us to believe previously when you said you'd 'seen the light'. Not to be a shit, but since you are constantly changing your story, it's gotten to where I don't know what to actually believe. Your very first post on this forum was based on a lie, then in one post you stated you'd served a year apprenticeship- then say you are 'self taught', stated you have a studio-then admit you have a port-a-studio (whatever THAT is supposed to mean), stated 'You know what Dr. John i would also like to thank Gina for "showing me the light" and admit that i am in no shape or form, ready to own, work in, or run a tattoo studio, let alone have a machine in my hands'- but now say you are still trying to work on people as 'guiney pigs' to 'hone in on my skills' While I admit I MAY be wrong, I'd also like to mention that it is my belief Australia has 'Tattoo Laws' you are NOT in compliance with which means you are also operating illegally, directly contradicting information you state on your site. I also question the fact that you state on your website that you are a 'official member of the Professional Tattooing Association of Australia' since, again, you are NOT a 'professional' by any stretch of the term. Anyone who bothered to look at that snake you have posted on your site would have to agree with that, unless they are totally ignorant as to what even a decent tattoo is supposed to look like. For anyone who thinks I may be unfairly critising, here's the proof: http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/doctorjohn001/ink-snake1.gif Frankly I am 'disappointed' to say the least as I'd hoped you really had come to realize you should not be tattooing anyone and that the 'trial and error' method is not the proper way to do this, that it is not right to use people as 'guiney pigs', even if they are foolish enough to allow it and that doing so is not just a dis-service to them but to the profession as well. As I have a rather busy day scheduled, I don't have time to get into this further right now, not that I'm at all sure anything I could say is going to get thru to you.

RE:Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.164.171 on 10/01/08 doc, am i correct to assume your strategy to deflect the fact that your skills as a tattooist are extremely limited is to whine and natter about how my opinion has no value simply because you don't know who i am? oh, and go take a bath. dirty bastard. Aside from the point that you still haven't presented anything to support your opinion as proof of 'the fact that your skills as a tattooist are extremely limited' any more than any proof that anything else you've stated is FACT, I'd think it obvious that anyone can hide behind a keyboard and take 'potshots' anonymously at someone, which is more to the point, moron. I'd think that in order for me or anyone to put any credibility to your opinions you should be able to back it up by proving you have the 'credentials' or knowledge necessary to 'qualify' them. While I'm not at all sure you are smart enough to know the difference, there is a lot of difference between what is considered 'FACT' and what is considered ' INNUENDO' (consult a dictionary, pinhead) As to your closing comment, a bastard is a child born out of wedlock and you truly should be glad you made a disparaging comment about my parents from safely hiding behind your anonymous keyboard, had you said that in person you'd be spitting teeth, chickenshit. I've never understood why people like you post such lame shit on this site or who you think it impresses but I guess you must have very sad lives not to have anything better to do with your time.

Dr John, i have tried to be nice and satify your every fucking god dam question, query, pay out, kick to the gutter, and whateva else you are ready to throw.... The point is im still here, i live in australia and you in the states.... And nothing you could ever say or do will stop me from doing what I WANT to do...whether it be the right way or the wrong way, this is not for you to decide... Another point is YES 100% i am following all laws and regulations in Australia, so until you could tell me what it is exactly i am supposed to be breaking the shut your stupid old fucking annoying AVERAGE tattooist ass up!!!!! Most people put up with your constant whining and bitching about everyone, everything, everypost. But the truth is i really dont think anyone cares anymore. they either ignore you or just agree with you to avoid getting into argument with a fucking kid... (one who is supposed to be running a "very busy" shop, yet your always on here or another forum giving everyone your two cents? what you never busy enough to actually do a tattoo ?? or just never get anyone to stay long enough for you yourself to bullshit and lie to about the quality off your own work..) You may have been in the industry longer than me, but the point still remains, how the fuck are you any better than me at anything (including your very shit tattoos you have pasted on your very own website) i have had enough and no longer going to waste time replying your your constant bitch session about everything... I am going to use this forum for its real and orginal purpose, and that is to discuss works and artist. Not listern to some "over expired, wanna be" tattoo tryhard who likes to call himself a dr. lol, please john grow the fuck up. good day to you

Oh one more thing, there is no need to try to humiliate me by posting anything from my site, people have eyes & brains and can judge for themselves... http://ink-in-skin-tattoo.webs.com/index.htm And your paying out a cobra tattoo that isnt even completed, that is covered in vas, and was taken with a flash... That tattoo will be finished by the end of the week, and once it has been washed i will repost it on this forum, so you can finally shut the fuck up about it.... My time has been now wasted on you for the last time, fukhead...

Okay.. so now what was a good, honest thread is a shit slinging match against doc, who, may I say has become not only a good friend, but a rock for me in what I'm embarking on.. Noz.. personal attacks aren't cool.. One of the things you'll need to learn is in this industry slating ANYONE or their work is a big no-no! Tattoo artists don't like being fucked with/humiliated/disrespected. Not wise.. you wouldn't say that shit to his face if you met him so why do it under the cover of the world wide web? Doc is oldschool.. if you don't like his work that's your problem. I know for a fact he admits his downfalls and doesn't claim to be a god but he still knows a fuck load more than me, you and most of the naive idiots who post to this site. He is without doubt one of the most honest, supportive and interesting people on here and he's the only person here I'd actually like to meet face to face. He's got more history in his baby finger than most of us have in our entire bodies so bow down you ignorant asshole! It takes a man to admit you're not a god and a fuckwit to think you are one.. where do YOU fit in??? As for the original thread.. I have been enlightened and redirected thanks to this site. I've never posted anything derogatory to anyone (until now.. coz Noz you fucked with a friend) and the artists here have all treated me with respect even tho I'm not pro at all.. yet. I keep my questions short and my ego in my pocket and if you can't handle some dissing from your peers this isn't the right industry for you. C'mon people.. it's the internet for god's sake. You gonna curl into a ball and cry when someone says they don't dig the tattoo you just put on them FOR LIFE? I very much doubt they're gonna pat your head and say sorry for hurting your feelings! Grow some balls or go find a forum called "Emo-Tattoo.. the soft way" There are some mean fuckers out there.. deal with it! If the artists here are getting upset with people asking for information online.. there's a damn good reason... tattooing is a trade.. just like design is my trade. I'm not gonna tell anyone I haven't even met ANYTHING about my trade over the internet.. COME ON!! Self taught/apprenticeships? The line is blurring these days.. still doesn't mean teaching yourself is ever going to be safe or easy.. The more the internet gives away books and movie files for anyone to download the more you will see people going it alone.. some well.. some very very badly.. It'll be interesting to see how this works out but at the end of the day trial by fire sorts out the good from the bad. If it ain't for you or you're doing it for the wrong reasons or the wrong way you'll never succeed.. if the industry is over-saturated with artists that's just a good reason to up your game! Thanks to Doc and his friendship I'm not worried.. I'm prepared for an onslaught and a few truly tough years thanks to his kind words.. you'd do well to listen to what he has to say instead of being disrespectful.. he's one of the nice guys here..

re : ink-in-skin "shut your stupid old fucking annoying AVERAGE tattooist ass up!!!!!" he doth protest too much, methinks... chill out! Again I stress.. it's the INTERNET!! If you expect everyone to stroke your ego and make you feel better I suggest you take a course in "how to post to a forum and not get offended 101"

doc is a half assed tattooist. as for me spitting teeth, at least i have my own. oh, and doc, i would thoroughly own you in any form of physical and mental combat. you tatoos ae substandard.

OMG!!! is this for real?! i'm laughin' so hard i'm gonna pee in my panties... are we now talking ultimate fighting?? wow and i thought being old was being beatup enough...

poor doc would have to take a bath, quit smoking, whiten his teeth, go on a diet, and have sex with someone other than his mom in order for him to be prepared to deal with half of me.

Noz, You sound like a 300lbs chick looking for a DATE! ROFL

heehee. know anyone who would be interested? doc, you smell like old spice dipped in shit.

funny how things get misconstrued...the 'old' comment was meant for me, really. no slam on doc at all. i think it was meant more to be a sarcastic remark to noz...ya know, doc may not be up to your standards or mine, but he's not an asshole. so, all talk or are we gonna get to see your work? not that it really much matters and after blowing so much smoke, i'm not sure anyone cares.

Posted by kimi from IP: 74.243.127.106 on 10/02/08 Savannah, GA "ya know, doc may not be up to your standards or mine, but he's not an asshole." Are you fucking serious, do you read any of the comments this self ritious dick makes about everyone else?? If hes not an asshole who seems to care bout nothing else but defending his poor lil studio, then what the fuck is he ??? a friendly tattoo artist who's willing to give "advice and generall comments or ideas whether they be good or bad" this fucker has no idea about anything cept how to bring people down.... dude like wtf?? i want whateva your smoking.... Old school vs. New school = a dead Doc in a few years with us "newbie or scratchers" left to continue the work of a what people actually want nowdays.... times are changing people, ffs i bet when the doc was born they hadn't even bought out fucking TV, let alone whats happening in the world today?? What the fuck do you think is gonna happen in the next ten years ??? theres gonna be robots in shopping centers who can do a full sleave tat in about 20minutes better than any tatoo artist in the world could produce now, think about it...

What the fuck do you think is gonna happen in the next ten years ??? theres gonna be robots in shopping centers who can do a full sleave tat in about 20minutes better than any tatoo artist in the world could produce now, think about it... erm....you mean just like how robots have replaced the a hand painted oil painting?? oh, wait, that never will happen....because there is no way to replace the human element of a masterful tattoo sleeve...not gonna happen. maybe for a quick kanji...but not sleeves or anything worth having. the only thing that a robot might do is kill the half-assed-tourist-trap-no-skill-hack who preys on kanji-wanting-spring-break dumb asses that would allow a coke machine to even tattoo them. think it ALL the way through...

umm... OKAY then, this has gone so far from the original post. it just proves to me that i should move on to a different forum to talk to people about my opinions on tattooing. you've turned this Subject into a trash talk board... you people are fucked. Bye

RE:Posted by [email removed] from IP: 74.243.127.106 on 10/02/08 sav ga 'What the fuck do you think is gonna happen in the next ten years ??? theres gonna be robots in shopping centers who can do a full sleave tat in about 20minutes better than any tatoo artist in the world could produce now, think about it...' 'erm....you mean just like how robots have replaced the a hand painted oil painting?? oh, wait, that never will happen....because there is no way to replace the human element of a masterful tattoo sleeve...not gonna happen. maybe for a quick kanji...but not sleeves or anything worth having. the only thing that a robot might do is kill the half-assed-tourist-trap-no-skill-hack who preys on kanji-wanting-spring-break dumb asses that would allow a coke machine to even tattoo them. think it ALL the way through... ' Clay, read thru all the various post this mouthy, no-talent scratcher has made on various threads and you will realize what kind of asshole you are trying to reason with, same moronic, self serving crap as he posted regarding Skin-Candy on another thread I spotted him responding to you about. See; the threads 'Self Taught vs Apprenticeship' and 'Australian Tattoo Studios' for further info and be sure to check out his website and work.

RE:Posted by ink-in-skin tattoo from IP: 124.176.150.100 on 10/02/08 Australia Posted by kimi from IP: 74.243.127.106 on 10/02/08 Savannah, GA "ya know, doc may not be up to your standards or mine, but he's not an asshole." ************************************************************************************************* Although I'd given serious thought to just ignoring the shit this ignorant, lying and, seemingly brain damaged scratcher (and his kind) hoping he'd just give up and go away, since he insist upon pursuing this, I'll address his crap. 'Are you fucking serious, do you read any of the comments this self ritious dick makes about everyone else??' Had you been on this site for any time, you'd know I only talk down to those who deserve it and I always back up what I say with the facts of my opinion, unlike you that continues to lie and sling shit without supporting it. Actually, if you'd simply re-read my post on this thread you'd see the falicy there, if you could see anything except your own point of view, that is. I think it's you, not me, who has come off like a self righteous dick. 'If hes not an asshole who seems to care bout nothing else but defending his poor lil studio, then what the fuck is he ??? a friendly tattoo artist who's willing to give "advice and generall comments or ideas whether they be good or bad"' If you had the sense to understand it, I'm no where near as concerned with your accusation that I'm defending myself or my studio so much as trying to defend the profession/public from no talent assholes like you with your shitty attitude. I'm more than willing to help those who deserve it and have done so for quite awhile on this site. I might point out you have spent alot of time trying to defend your excuse of a studio or your 'port-a-shop' as well as your shitty work which HAS been posted. 'this fucker has no idea about anything cept how to bring people down.... dude like wtf?? i want whateva your smoking....' That too is bullshit but, again, you're very limited and self serving time on this site makes that rather obvious to anyone whose actually been on here any length of time and, just for the record, the only thing I smoke are cigarettes 'Old school vs. New school = a dead Doc in a few years with us "newbie or scratchers" left to continue the work of a what people actually want nowdays.... times are changing people, ffs i bet when the doc was born they hadn't even bought out fucking TV, let alone whats happening in the world today??' Although I'm not going to bother to comment on 'old school vs. New School' with the likes of you, I'd think of more importance is that people will hopefully never want the kind of work people like you do and THAT is what this thread is/was about, not the infantile shit slinging and irrelevant bullshit you're talking and have been talking between the lies and weak excuses. 'What the fuck do you think is gonna happen in the next ten years ??? theres gonna be robots in shopping centers who can do a full sleave tat in about 20minutes better than any tatoo artist in the world could produce now, think about it...' I'd think this statement helps prove what a fucking moron you really are, for any who hadn't already grasped that fact but, coming from someone with absolutely no artist skills and such a limited mentality and poor education, well, I guess we shouldn't really have expected more. As to long and stupid post of yesterday, the part that you said ' The point is im still here, i live in australia and you in the states.... And nothing you could ever say or do will stop me from doing what I WANT to do...whether it be the right way or the wrong way, this is not for you to decide.' While it is true that you live in Australia and I am in the states, well, we'll just see how true the rest of that is, you stupid fucking liar.

my finall message to you dr dick... I WILL GET BETTER & BETTER as the years go on..... one day owning and running my own studio's wherever the fuck i want... you WILL NOT IMPROVE on what? 20 or 30 years of experiance, they do say you cant teach an old dog new tricks... guess your outa luck in the near future when NEW up and coming artist take over you weak pathetic work... i may not be much right now... But lets see where we all are in about 10 years dr dick... you`ll be run out of business by new talent... (garenteed) and ill be up and coming stomping all over your pathetic shit you seem to still call professional art ?? lol

RE: Posted by ink-in-skin tattoo from IP: 121.221.154.61 on 10/03/08 Australia 'my finall message to you dr dick...' Damn, do I hope at least THAT is the truth, sure tired of dealing with your lies. 'I WILL GET BETTER & BETTER as the years go on..... one day owning and running my own studio's wherever the fuck i want... While I suppose that might happen, considering your pious attitude and total lack of artistic ability, I seriously doubt it 'you WILL NOT IMPROVE on what? 20 or 30 years of experiance, they do say you cant teach an old dog new tricks... guess your outa luck in the near future when NEW up and coming artist take over you weak pathetic work...' Although I couldn't expect a moron like you to realize how much my work has improved from the work being done when I began tattooing, over 40 years ago, since you so obviously don't know enough about the history of tattooing or you'd realize how totally stupid THAT comment is,I'm not worried. Nor do I give any credence to your opinion about my work. 'i may not be much right now... But lets see where we all are in about 10 years dr dick... you`ll be run out of business by new talent... (garenteed) and ill be up and coming stomping all over your pathetic shit you seem to still call professional art ?? lol ' You most definitely aren't much right now, except a mouthy, disrespectful, lying scratcher with far more excuses than even potential talent. As to the being 'run out of business' in 10 years, I suspect my age will cause me to quit long before that unlikely event but I KNOW it will not be the likes of YOU and I'd love to have you try. As to the rest, well, consider the source and who's doing the judging. My very worst is still far better than any you can put out- PROVE OTHERWISE. I honestly do not know who you think you are fooling or impressing with your weak shit but I'd think it obvious to anyone who bothers to check the facts that you are nothing more than a lying, totally disrespectful, excuse making and illiterate moron who has absolutely no right to even claim to being a 'tattoo artist' I'd think you'd be far better off spending your time learning to draw properly then, if you ever accomplish THAT, then trying to find a proper apprenticeship rather than making an ass out of yourself on the internet.

just a little note of perspective. doc is what we call a shop scratcher, and works very hard on his little keyboard to try and justify his existence.

ROFL ha ha ha a shop scratcher, that what they call them lol....

Re: Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.164.171 on 10/03/08 'just a little note of perspective. doc is what we call a shop scratcher, and works very hard on his little keyboard to try and justify his existence.' HaHa, somehow I knew you'd be back, some people just never learn, damn. Would you care to enlighten us as to who the 'we' is as I haven't seen any suggestion you're pregnant and you're not French, you are a Canuck, safely (cowardly) hiding behind the keyboard about 1400 miles away, typing your nonsense and thriving on the cheap thrill it gives your pathetic ass to get a reply. Is that how you validate your existence?

gee, doc. you must be psychic!! idiot. have another cigarette and another bag of cheeto's, you dimwitted keyboard mercenary gearbox. i could be 14 feet from you and be perfectly safe, you fat shithead, if your cardio didn't take you out before you covered the distance, my foot would. now you can continue feverishly trying to identify someone who you say doesn't matter. twat.

RE: Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.164.171 on 10/03/08 gee, doc. you must be psychic!! idiot. have another cigarette and another bag of cheeto's, you dimwitted keyboard mercenary gearbox. i could be 14 feet from you and be perfectly safe, you fat shithead, if your cardio didn't take you out before you covered the distance, my foot would. now you can continue feverishly trying to identify someone who you say doesn't matter. twat. Mildly amusing at best and having as much to make credible as anything else you've said/typed, not to mention about as weak as I expected from you. As to the shit-talking, it doesn't really warrant an actual response, you did not even reply to the question or was it too complex for your intelligence level to understand. If this is an example of your self-proclaimed abilities as stated in one of your prior post 'oh, and doc, i would thoroughly own you in any form of physical and mental combat.' I'd think it was safe to figure your physical combat skills are just as inferior, as I knew and had assumed. Yawn, if that's the best you can do I may as do something more amusing. Feel free to blabber on, Canuck, but don't expect any more response from me unless you bring something worthy. By the way, am I the only one who has noticed that every time I post something to the Aussie poser, YOU come on here with your shit, are you two gay lovers or something? That would make sense, at least more than you have. And, I'd think you made it rather clear as to 'It takes a man to admit you're not a god and a fuckwit to think you are one.. where do YOU fit in???' Carry on, you cumdrunk troll.

you have yellow teeth.

dr dick - it doesn't really warrant an actual response, you did not even reply to the question or was it too complex for your intelligence level to understand. If this is an example of your self-proclaimed abilities as stated in one of your prior post 'oh, and doc, i would thoroughly own you in any form of physical and mental combat.' I'd think it was safe to figure your physical combat skills are just as inferior, as I knew and had assumed. Yawn, if that's the best you can do I may as do something more amusing. Feel free to blabber on, Canuck, but don't expect any more response from me unless you bring something worthy. By the way, am I the only one who has noticed that every time I post something to the Aussie poser, YOU come on here with your shit, are you two gay lovers or something? yet you still reply everytime something is mentioned about you... thought you didnt care lol...

Dylan/Diane, Seems you busted yourself in still another lie, about your previous message being your 'final message' to me. Somehow I knew that was too much to expect or even hope for. As to why I respond when my name comes up, well, I'm 'old school' and was raised to believe is some asshole makes a comment about you and you do not respond/defend yourself that leaves some people to think the accusation might be true, something you and your buttbuddy, nox don't seem to comprehend since you do not address questions, just keep talking shit. By the way did you really think that in the years I've been involved in this I haven't gotten to know some reputable Australian Tattoo Artist? Remember a while back when you said that since you are in Australia and I'm in the states, I can't do anything to stop you, care to explain why you no longer have the claim to being an official member of the Australian Tattoo Association posted on your website anymore? See the trouble when you fuck with us 'old dogs' we bite, we don't just growl and I seriously doubt you've seen the end of it yet. While I really don't care what you and your buttbuddy say, I do care about the profession as well as my reputation, something neither of you of you have. If you've followed the tread about "Australian Tattoo Studios' you'll note even some of your own country men recognize you for the incompetent,asshole scratcher you really are and that it is not just my opinion. And, as you know, this is not the first tattoo site you've been 'calledout on' nor do I expect it to be the last. Talking alot of shit does not change the facts, except perhaps in your self-serving, disillusional,mind. Now I really hope I do not have to waste anymore time on you or your butthole buddy noz.or the like, I'd think and hope the facts and proofs should speak for themselves by now. Do not fuck with me, you will NOT win, you do not have the resources, knowledge or ammunition let alone the experience.